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Posted 1/7/12 , edited 1/7/12
Pretty sure Another will be the only horror themed anime this winter season unless Natsume Yujin-cho Shi also fits into that category. In other words, I'm expecting good impressions on it
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KanpekiJan wrote:

Honestly, I just want to get what I pay for. I pay the same price as all the Americans who get twice or thrice the amount of shows. How is that fair?!


I thought about it before. It's not like YOU or ME don't get anime. If i travel to USA and log in into my account, I'll get all anime. Likewise if americans come to Poland, almost all anime will be blocked. It's all because copyright holders are still in XX century.For same stupid reason availability of Internet service depend on your current location.

What is most stupid is that, if crunchy would have USA-only licence for DVD distribution, buying it wouldn't be a problem. All i have to do i buy it directly or from sites like amazon and have it send to me. No problem here. But streaming is no-no.

Unfortunately it's look like crunchy also focus on USA market only. Maybe there more anime, but if i look at percentage of them available worldwide or for non-english speaking countries is lowering. This winter line-up is the worst. 0, i repeat zero, null, none new anime.

I'm crunchy member for the last few years and premium user for around 1,5 year. I paid, hoping it would increase anime availability. I hoped that same older show that were previously blocked would become licensed worldwide. But no, it's totally other way.

There are several anime streaming sites but crunchy is the only one that isn't region blocked and gives hope that people from other countries could watch anime without downloading it illegally or buying DVD for twice or trice of their original price . Other sites don't even try, But for last two seasons i see it's all talk-only. I wasted my money and my time for visiting it daily to look up all anime i can't watch.

So yeah, i will bitch about it, because i feel cheated. I pay for something i can't get only because i access internet in wrong country. And as i just renewed my premium for these 3 month hoping I would have something new to watch this season i fell double cheated.
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mapokl wrote:
Unfortunately it's look like crunchy also focus on USA market only. Maybe there more anime, but if i look at percentage of them available worldwide or for non-english speaking countries is lowering. This winter line-up is the worst. 0, i repeat zero, null, none new anime.

Given that two of the announced anime are available worldwide except for Japan, that claim simply isn't true unless you live in Japan. Yes, they are both short form anime, but you can't pretend they don't exist.

The following isn't directed at you personally, but every international subscriber that complains about the U.S. (or other countries) getting more series, but having to pay the same price.

Yes, CR does "focus" on the U.S. market, because first, that is where the bulk of their income comes from (60%, according to the last info I saw), and also the "make or break" country. Without it, they could not turn a profit, which is why every series always is going to be available to U.S. subscribers.

Crunchyroll could have gone the same easy route and been a U.S. or U.S./Canada site, like the streaming operations of companies like Funimation, The Anime Network, Viz, etc., but as they were not tied to home video licensing decided to try for international availability.

In return, international viewers respond, "We don't get as many anime series as those in the U.S., so we should pay less". On the surface, that looks reasonable, but naively assumes that CR's cost per view and income per view is exactly the same as for the United States. If you think that is true, then you need look no further than an operation like Anime on Demand in the UK, and compare their streaming offerings and pricing.

Finally, there is one way international users can pay exactly the same price per episode/series as those in the United States: Unsubscribe and watch the episodes for free. Sure, you'll have to wait a week, watch commercials, and get only 360p video, but you'll pay no more and no less than someone in the U.S. doing the same.


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No love for UK? Guess I will be getting the ones that interest me from fan subs, finding less reasons to keep my premium sub up.
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dark_pride wrote:
Also, almost all of NicoNico's streams barely got more than 1000 views per episode. Why would you stream to Funico anyway? And Sentai tends to add more titles than what Funi does.


I wouldn't be surprised if Funimation's own streams beat those numbers, despite being in 360p. Then there are the views on Hulu (although Shakugan no Shana and appear to be absent from Hulu).

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mapokl wrote:
Unfortunately it's look like crunchy also focus on USA market only. Maybe there more anime, but if i look at percentage of them available worldwide or for non-english speaking countries is lowering. This winter line-up is the worst. 0, i repeat zero, null, none new anime.

Given that two of the announced anime are available worldwide except for Japan, that claim simply isn't true unless you live in Japan. Yes, they are both short form anime, but you can't pretend they don't exist.

The following isn't directed at you personally, but every international subscriber that complains about the U.S. (or other countries) getting more series, but having to pay the same price.

Yes, CR does "focus" on the U.S. market, because first, that is where the bulk of their income comes from (60%, according to the last info I saw), and also the "make or break" country. Without it, they could not turn a profit, which is why every series always is going to be available to U.S. subscribers.

Crunchyroll could have gone the same easy route and been a U.S. or U.S./Canada site, like the streaming operations of companies like Funimation, The Anime Network, Viz, etc., but as they were not tied to home video licensing decided to try for international availability.

In return, international viewers respond, "We don't get as many anime series as those in the U.S., so we should pay less". On the surface, that looks reasonable, but naively assumes that CR's cost per view and income per view is exactly the same as for the United States. If you think that is true, then you need look no further than an operation like Anime on Demand in the UK, and compare their streaming offerings and pricing.

Finally, there is one way international users can pay exactly the same price per episode/series as those in the United States: Unsubscribe and watch the episodes for free. Sure, you'll have to wait a week, watch commercials, and get only 360p video, but you'll pay no more and no less than someone in the U.S. doing the same.




I may not quite understand the business aspects, but... How can it be difficult or expensive to license a show for a country like, say, Denmark? Next to no shows newer than a decade old are licensed or sold here. Not only that, but we've got no other anime streaming services available here.

Though I do admit that I do not quite know what licensing a show entails. If you do, please enlighten me.
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TheAncientOne wrote:

Given that two of the announced anime are available worldwide except for Japan, that claim simply isn't true unless you live in Japan. Yes, they are both short form anime, but you can't pretend they don't exist.


Yea, sorry. Anime PV is also worldwide available. And sometimes they are longer. I don't count them, because they are like 1/3 of anime. Even then 2 of 12 is 16% but don't say that price or value of these two short anime is the same as normal series. It's more like something extra licensor throw in.... like cherry without cake.


Yes, CR does "focus" on the U.S. market, because first, that is where the bulk of their income comes from (60%, according to the last info I saw), and also the "make or break" country. Without it, they could not turn a profit, which is why every series always is going to be available to U.S. subscribers.


I don't really care if US. subscribers have all or none anime. But season by season I get less anime. In these one i have none. And i won't count extra as full-fledged anime.



In return, international viewers respond, "We don't get as many anime series as those in the U.S., so we should pay less". On the surface, that looks reasonable, but naively assumes that CR's cost per view and income per view is exactly the same as for the United States. If you think that is true, then you need look no further than an operation like Anime on Demand in the UK, and compare their streaming offerings and pricing.


Yeah, it's common knowledge that sending 100mb of data to US is two times cheaper then sending it to Poland, Denmark or other country. By that logic it look that sending data to Poland cost around 500% more... And if americans pay 6$ these dollars ale worth two times of value of money paid by members from other countries. Yeah it's common knowledge. I don't know about income per view, but i think it's the other way. US subscribers pay 6$ monthy and watch a lot more episodes within that month and download more data then I, Since i pay the same, but can and will watch no more then around 16% of it.



Unsubscribe and watch the episodes for free. Sure, you'll have to wait a week, watch commercials, and get only 360p video, but you'll pay no more and no less than someone in the U.S. doing the same.

You thought a lot about that sentence? I never once in my whole post say that paying is problem, paying more then others is not that big problem either. Problem is I pay and have nearly nothing available. Sorry too burst your brilliant idea but unsubscribing won't increase number of anime available here.



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Another looks really interesting. This is my favorite announcement so far. Keep them coming!
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KanpekiJan wrote:
I may not quite understand the business aspects, but... How can it be difficult or expensive to license a show for a country like, say, Denmark? Next to no shows newer than a decade old are licensed or sold here. Not only that, but we've got no other anime streaming services available here.

Though I do admit that I do not quite know what licensing a show entails. If you do, please enlighten me.

You seem to want to factor in that nothing is licensed there, therefore licensing should not be an obstacle. I have no argument with that, especially given that I never mentioned the possibility of licensing (or possible licensing) of another party being the cause for specific anime being unavailable in your country.

As to the cost, it depends on the licensor. If they want to license on a country-by-country basis for certain regions, that immediately countries with smaller viewerships at an immediate advantage. Why? Because at a certain point, they don't even foresee the cost in manpower of negotiating the streaming terms for that country to be give a positive return. If you have a licensor that licenses by region instead, or has a pre-agreed terms, then a license for those countries becomes more feasible. That said, pre-agreed terms can sometimes mean little, as with rare exceptions, each anime is funded by a committee of companies, each of which has their own say. If more than one company has a say in international licensing, that can throw a wrench into the works of any previous agreement with the company that is primarily responsible.

To try and put it more simply, there is a certain amount of overhead with each agreement. If the licensor wants to split the licensing regions too finely, they can simply make it too financially unattractive to even discuss licensing certain regions, and even if that is not the case, too expensive per viewer to Crunchyroll for them to consider it.




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Yea, sorry. Anime PV is also worldwide available. And sometimes they are longer. I don't count them, because they are like 1/3 of anime. Even then 2 of 12 is 16% but don't say that price or value of these two short anime is the same as normal series. It's more like something extra licensor throw in.... like cherry without cake.

So basically you admit you are ignoring these as anime to make your original statement correct.


I don't really care if US. subscribers have all or none anime. But season by season I get less anime. In these one i have none. And i won't count extra as full-fledged anime.

Apparently you either missed a section of my message or simply ignored it, so it bears repeating:


I stated:

The following isn't directed at you personally, but every international subscriber that complains about the U.S. (or other countries) getting more series, but having to pay the same price.

If you look back at my original message, you'll see that came prior to everything your are responding to from this point on.

You may not have complained about U.S. subscribers having more anime for the same price, but plenty of others do. Indeed "I can't watch as many series, so I shouldn't pay as much" is a rather common complaint I see from viewers outside the U.S. and Canada.


Yeah, it's common knowledge that sending 100mb of data to US is two times cheaper then sending it to Poland, Denmark or other country. By that logic it look that sending data to Poland cost around 500% more... And if americans pay 6$ these dollars ale worth two times of value of money paid by members from other countries. Yeah it's common knowledge. I don't know about income per view, but i think it's the other way. US subscribers pay 6$ monthy and watch a lot more episodes within that month and download more data then I, Since i pay the same, but can and will watch no more then around 16% of it.

I wasn't talking about cost of sending data. Hardline bandwidth is rather inexpensive, and gets less expensive the more you use (at least on a commercial scale).

As I noted in my other reply above, there is the simple cost of setting up the contract, and if the licensor wants to define the regions too finely, this can make those with small viewerships financially untenable.




You thought a lot about that sentence? I never once in my whole post say that paying is problem, paying more then others is not that big problem either. Problem is I pay and have nearly nothing available. Sorry too burst your brilliant idea but unsubscribing won't increase number of anime available here.

Again, you are taking a section of a message directed to all as if it were directed to you personally.

Also, I never made any claim that unsubscribing would increase the number of anime available, and thus I challenge you to point out where I did so.

In fact, if it had any impact, it would be the opposite. Countries and regions that get little anime can be expected to typically get fewer subscribers, as people get dissatisfied and unsubscribe, which makes fewer titles financially tenable, and the cycle repeats. Meanwhile, countries or regions that see an increase in anime get more subscribers (or at least should) which tends to lead to increased subscriptions, which makes more series financially tenable, and that cycle repeats.


Nonetheless, if a person doesn't feel a company is providing reasonable value for your dollar, they shouldn't be paying them.

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'Another' looks good.
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Other than the fact that more streaming services and distributors are licensing shows in the US now, I cannot see why it has gotten harder to license the shows for other countries than it was two seasons ago. If I remember correctly, two seasons ago most shows where available internationally (or at least in a great number of regions), then from one season to the next, apparently Sentai Filmworks got a lot of the shows licensed and for some ridiculous reason those shows couldn't be licensed in those regions anymore.
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come on , give us more love to the UK anime fans !!!

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KanpekiJan wrote:

Other than the fact that more streaming services and distributors are licensing shows in the US now, I cannot see why it has gotten harder to license the shows for other countries than it was two seasons ago. If I remember correctly, two seasons ago most shows where available internationally (or at least in a great number of regions), then from one season to the next, apparently Sentai Filmworks got a lot of the shows licensed and for some ridiculous reason those shows couldn't be licensed in those regions anymore.


That is probably partially because of Kadokawa, NicoNico and Funimation. Kadokawa shows used to always be on Crunchyroll and be available to a large number of countries. There would normally be 2-4 Kadokawa shows each season. But then Kadokawa back-stabbed Crunchyroll for Funimation. The Funico (Funimation + Niconico) deal means that Kadokawa shows now go to them instead. This means Crunchyroll now has to go for shows from a larger range of companies or via US companies, some of which Crunchyroll has issues with getting international rights.

Also because of the Funico deal it seems Crunchyroll has made more agreements with Funimation's competitors, such as Sentai. Agreements with US companies will always benefit US customers but not be so good for international customers.



Also the UK has been having issues with the availability of shows on Crunchyroll since 3 seasons ago because of Kadokawa back-stabbing Crunchyroll for the UK streaming service AnimeOnDemand. Out of the 15 shows AoD have done in the last 9 months, 10 were on Crunchyroll but blocked in the UK because of AoD. AoD are essentially trying to bully UK anime fans to use them instead of Crunchyroll by making the Crunchyroll simulcast lineup worse for UK customers.
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WHERE'S FATE/ZERO SEASON 2??? :(

Oh wait that's spring.
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